You Don't Owe Your Debt - Its All A Fraud!

You've been duped and you don't even realize it.  When you think you borrowed money, you are incorrect. When you think you have to pay back money for what you borrowed, you haven't learned the truth.

Most people grow up believing what they are told by parents, teachers, lenders, politicians (well maybe not so much them), our government. Few grow up challenging what they are being told. Few people stop and ask why or how. Few people stop and say, "Prove it!"  

I'm one of the few who has always questioned what I was told. I was always labeled as argumentative when I really was just looking for answers. Somewhere in my gut it seemed that things I was taught and things I was told was not the whole truth.  You may have had that same feeling at times in your life. But we are conditioned to just accept what we were told as the truth.  Its not our parents' fault. They didn't know any better because they were  raised the same way.  You just don't question authority and you should just respect your elders.  

Well, in my book, you should question what triggers a twinge of doubt in your gut and why respect your elders (lying government officials, lying banksters) when they are not telling you the truth and they have an agenda to keep you from knowing the truth.  Truth is power and they want to keep you from gaining any truth or power because they want it all for themselves.  Then they can control you and enslave you.

I've decided to post a video today. Please take the time to watch it. Its about money. Where it comes from, where debt comes from, and how its all a fraud that has been kept secret so you won't find out the truth.

There are 5 videos in this series. I encourage you to watch all of them when you have a chance.  They will help open your eyes to the scam that has been played on all of us.  I hope that it helps you understand that getting into debt is not your fault because that's how this system was set up - even if you maxed out credit cards, were allegedly irresponsible in your spending, and just got to a point where you had to walk away or give up trying to pay these bills for credit and loans. 

When the truth about this sinks in, you may get a bit angry, and rightly so.  I care about you and I want you to know the truth.  Please, if this video opened your eyes a bit, then share it. I would love it if you shared my blog with others. They too can watch the video right here but also, there's a lot of information that I give that may be what they need to help handle their own credit issues.

Thanks for reading, watching and sharing.  Enjoy!

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What Is A Validation Demand Letter?

If you are going to work on repairing your credit, you really need to know what a validation letter is, what is requested/demanded, who it goes to and why you can use this.  Many credit repair companies, and people who work on repairing their credit themselves, don't use the validation letter, and so, are not as successful at improving their credit report.

The law that gives you the right to demand validation is the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA).  It is a federal law.  The exact section of the law that requires them to validate when you request it is 15 USC 1692g Sec.809(b).  This law says:  "If the consumer notifies the debt collector in writing within the thirty-day period described in subsection (a) of this section that the debt, or any portion thereof, is disputed, or that the consumer requests the name and address of the original creditor, the debt collector shall cease collection of the debt, or any disputed portion thereof, until the debt collector obtains verification of the debt or a copy of a judgment, or the name and address of the original creditor, and a copy of such verification or judgment, or name and address of the original creditor, is mailed to the consumer by the debt collector. Collection activities and communications that do not otherwise violate this subchapter may continue during the 30-day period referred to in subsection (a) unless the consumer has notified the debt collector in writing that the debt, or any portion of the debt, is disputed or that the consumer requests the name and address of the original creditor. Any collection activities and communication during the 30-day period may not overshadow or be inconsistent with the disclosure of the consumer’s right to dispute the debt or request the name and address of the original creditor." 

You will notice that the law uses the word "Verification" but it actually tells them that they have to send you the copy of that Verification - the PROOF, which is the Validation, of the alleged debt.  Now, I know it says the 30 day period in there.  But this is when they obey the law and notify you within the first 5 days of initiating collection activity, that they are going to be trying to squeeze money out of you that doesn't belong to them and you have the right to dispute it.  You will also see that it says "verification of the debt."  You will notice that they don't want to send you the proof of the alleged debt, they only want to verify the name, address, original creditor info and amount, to you.  They don't like you to require them to send proof of the alleged debt because they can't.  They don't have a valid contract with you. 

Now, this law applies to all 3rd party collectors.  It does not apply to original creditors. For original creditors, many states have fair debt collection laws that mirror the FDCPA but also include original creditors.  I just love when my clients are in one of those states.  (I did another post sometime back about disputing with original creditors.  Look for it on my list of posts on the right side bar if you need help with them).  Now, at the end of this post, I'll touch more on this law above and clarify a bit more on it. 

You have the right to demand validation from your alleged collectors.  Most of the time you will know who they are because they report negative credit against you on your credit report.  Occasionally you will just get phone calls and letters in the mail from some obnoxious collection company that you don't see on your credit report.  I should warn you, though they might not be on one of the big 3, TransUnion, Experian, and Equifax, they might be reporting against you on Innovis, another big credit bureau that enjoys a lot of activity from collection agencies, and who hardly ever gets made aware of to unsuspecting consumers like you and me, so they can secretly destroy your credit without too much notice.

Validation is NOT Verification, though many collection companies love to mix the two up.  They do this for their convenience.  Its their little scapegoat method of avoiding the production of validation, which they cannot fully do.  You know when they're pulling this little scam, trying to convince you that they're right, you're not, you have to pay them.  Their response letters to your specific demand for validation will say something to the effect of, "We contacted the original creditor and they verified that the name, address, account number and amount we are reporting is correct." I didn't see the word "Validation" in that statement, did you?

Validation is the production of PROOF! Physical, paper, PROOF! Sometimes its an audio recording, you know, the crap that they insist on doing for "Quality Assurance?'  Validation is producing a contract between you and them.  You should want to see both sides of it, front and back, to prove there were no alterations rendering it void, after you signed it.  An alteration can be any markings, any staple marks, something that changed the piece of paper in any minute way after it was signed.  But, if they are a 3rd party collector, you don't have a contract with them.  They can't produce one because they buy alleged bad debts, they don't originate them.  

3rd party collectors should also prove that they have the right to collect on the alleged debt.  They should show the proof that they purchased it or were assigned it.  There are a number of states that require them to be licensed or bonded or both, to do any collection business there.  In fact, in Illinois, not only do they have to be licensed in the state, they have to be licensed in Chicago for any alleged debts they want to extort, um, attempt to collect on for Chicago residents.

Collectors also should provide validation in the form of a complete transaction history.  Every charge, every payment, every interest charge or other charges and fees for the entire life of the alleged debt.  There are case laws backing this up.  Another big thing that is required for validation is whether or not the alleged debt is Time-Barred.  This means it is outside the Statute of Limitations for your state.  This is a number of years that varies from state to state. It can be as little as 3 years to as long as 15 - which is absolutely ridiculous, I have to add.  This is a great way to make them go away.

I include a lot of things in my letters demanding validation. I tell them I want to see a contract between me and them. I want to see the front and back of it.  I want to see the full accounting and I put case law in there.  I want to see the documentation giving them the right to collect on the alleged debt. If the client is in a state that requires licensing/bonding, I tell them I want to see that. (I actually look them up every time for this, so that I can throw it in their faces if I see they are not, or they have been spanked by that state already).  I tell them I want them to prove that everything they are reporting on the credit reports is 100% accurate. I want them to prove the alleged debt is not outside the statute of limitations for my state.  (When I've checked and it is, I throw that at them too)!

Now, I actually get more intense on my letters.  I tell them they need to prove that they have a valid contract (at least the 4 basic elements) and that the original creditor had a valid contract, (at least the 4 basic elements), and I want to see that original contract, front and back.  I want them to prove there was no fraud committed.  I want them to provide the source of the funds that the original creditor used to actually lend the money that funded the credit.  (Oh, wait!  They don't lend money do they? They lend what is called "Credit Money" and that's illegal!  They create it out of thin air).

Towards the end of the letter I add a "Limited Cease and Desist" and a call to action.  The call to action is to prove it or remove it immediately. Prove it by providing me everything I requested, in writing, and not some cheapo, dummied up computer print out or hearsay typed onto the letter saying "we investigated and yep, we're doing everything accurately and you owe us".  The real deal.  The actual original or copies of the original documentation. 

You should be including most of these things in your letters to the 3rd party collectors. At the very least, they should be providing the contract between you and them, the contract between you and the original creditor, the full accounting, the proof they have the right to collect, proof they are accurately reporting to the bureaus, and proof the alleged debt is within your state's Statute of Limitations.   There are only 2-3 things in this list that they can lawfully provide that they can send you.  They can make claims that they validated fully, but that's a lie.  The only things they can really produce is the original contract (which is not a valid contract because the original creditors ALL commit fraud), their proof that they have the right to collect (which is paper proof for the game of collection but according to 73 AmJur 2nd Ed. Sect. 90, they have no right to collect anyway if they were not on the original valid contract), and whether or not the alleged debt is Time-Barred.

Now back to the FDCPA 15 USC 1692g Sect 809 (b).  This law mentions the 30 day period.  But, what if you are demanding validation after that original 30 day period, does it apply?  Yep, it sure does.  The 30 day period applies to you when they send you the original "Dunning Letter" within 5 days of starting to collect on the alleged account.  But, if you demand validation after that point, the law still applies.  They are required by law to produce the validation or cease collection activity.  Do they have to produce the validation?  Nope, but then, they also cannot resume collection activity until they do.  This law protects you!

Now, when you send out your demand for validation, you need to send it Certified Mail with Return Receipt. Costs a little over $6 for each letter but it is worth it, oh man, is it worth it.  If you get sued and they didn't validate, and you have the proof you demanded it, you can beat them in court.  That is proof of their violation of Federal Law!  Many times you will get a response back saying they will be removing it from all the credit bureaus. Love those!  Sometimes they give other stupid responses letting you know that they would rather continue to violate the law than obey it, because extorting money from people is their game and they don't stop without a fight.

To find out how to respond to them, look at the previous posts I wrote about a month or two ago I think, that tells how to fight back in your follow up letter.  Oh, one more thing, as soon as you get the green card back that proves they received your demand for validation, dispute with the bureaus.  It is against the law for them to verify (its considered collection activity) without first validating.  Many will come off by using this procedure - demand validation first, hit the bureaus with disputes second.  If they verify, they've just broken another law!

If you don't want to have to write all the letters yourself and would like me to help, please email or call me.  I love the game. I love helping you beat them! My email and phone number are up at the top, on the right hand side.  I answer emails and answer my phones.  I write letters for people in all 50 states.  The letters I write are not the junky stuff you find on the internet and they are not the form crap that the biggie credit law firms use to drag out the process (costing you more), and that don't work effectively all the time.  (See my post on credit law firms!)  I write great letters that get results! I'd love to write some for you too!

How To Write Follow Up Letters When Collectors Claim To Validate

Today I'm going to explain how you are to follow up and send a second letter to a collector (could be an original creditor) who responded and sent what they claim to be validation. In all reality, if you ask the questions and request the production of documents I ask for, you will know that they didn't validate. I'm going to give you examples of the junk they send claiming validation. Well, usually, they claim to have "verified", but, that's not what you asked for now, was it?  You demanded validation.

Validation is "PROOF" from creditors and collectors, and Verification is used with credit bureaus. Not the same thing.  According to Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., 1990, Verification is:

"Confirmation of correctness, truth, or authenticity, by affidavit, oath, or deposition. Affidavit of truth of matter stated and object of verification is to assure good faith in averments or statements of party."

What this is saying is that whoever claims to verify is willing to testify in a court of law that information they furnished is 100% accurate, truthful, and they have 1st hand knowledge of all that has transpired for that alleged debt or alleged account.  How can they be sure what they think they are right about is right unless they personally know it?  Who on earth actually knows the truth about your accounts or your debts other than you?  You are the ONLY one who has 1st hand knowledge.

Here is a typical response from both original creditors and collectors that send a letter and nothing else:  "We've investigated this account and found that we are reporting accurately."   Does that look like validation to you?  That's hearsay!  Where is the proof?  That's what your response letter will say to them.  

Dear Dummy Collector,

Thanks for taking the time to waste paper and postage on your response to my demand for validation.  How about if I send you a bill and just say, "yep, I got it right, you owe me." Do you think that would stand up in a court of law?  I highly doubt it. I asked you for proof, not hearsay, not more of your lies.  Send the proof I requested or go pound sand.

Okay, so I don't always say it just like that but seriously, claiming something is accurate is lazy and weak. Its not validation.

Here's another response you might see.  They send you a letter back claiming verification or validation and send you an old bill, probably the last month of an account that was getting ready to be charged off.  The bill might even say on it "Noncollectable Account." That is NOT validation.  Its an old bill that has  your name on it, possibly your address on it, but hmm, does it have a signature on it?  Is it a contract?  Its just a piece of paper that makes a claim but has no teeth in it.  I love getting these because they do several things usually.  They prove that whoever is trying to collect is a 3rd party collector. They prove that they don't have much in their file to come close to validation. And my favorite, as long as you are not in a state with an idiotic statute of limitations like 10 years or so, many times you will see that it is an old bill that is Time Barred!  Got to love it!

Dear Dummy Collector,

Thanks for digging into your archives to come up with a useless paper claiming to have provided proof that I owe you something.  You're not even close.  I can create one of these too with your company name as the alleged debtor on it pretty easily as well.  However, sending me some paper with what appears to be my name is not validation, nor is it proof.  Do you know how many people out there have a name similar to mine? There's no signature, its not a contract, one of the things I told you to provide, and lookie there...that paper you sent is outside my state's statute of limitations.  Now, if this is all you have, then buh-bye! By the way, since you haven't validated and you only have stuff that appears to be time barred, you had better get that crap off my credit report before I sue you in Federal court for FDCPA and FCRA violations.   

Now, a response that really looks like they validated.  They sent a Contract with Your Signature on it!  Is that validation? Nope!  Not full validation.  One of the things I request in my demands for validation is a full accounting.  I want to see every charge, every payment, interest accrued, late charges, legitimate fees, and it must include the dates every charge, change, or event occurred.  Case law for that is (Spears v. Brennan). That's not where I stop though. You'll see in my sample response below how to go after them.

Dear Dummy Original Creditor,

Thanks for sending me what looks to be a contract. It appears that you are trying to validate but you have yet to fully and lawfully do so.  Remember I also told you that I needed a full accounting - Spears v. Brennan style?  Where is that? You must have forgot to include that.  Oh, this contract you sent, I suppose it says I'll pay back what I spend, but are you saying I spent credit? Is that what you allegedly lent me?  I see you are a bank.  You do know that its against the law for banks to lend credit don't you?  If you say that you (or the original creditor) lent credit, then there is no valid contract, in fact, it means that any alleged contract we supposedly had is actually a VOID contract, completely unenforceable since it was created illegally.  

Now, if you say that you actually lent me money, well that's a different story now isn't it?  If you lent me money, then please provide the source of funds you allegedly lent me.  Because you know, being a bank and all, it is unlawful for banks to lend money from their own assets, and its unlawful for them to lend their depositors' money or assets.  So which was it?  Should I answer for you?  

I found out what you did, and you know what?  What I found out proves that you violated Regulation Z - you know, the Truth in Lending Act! Shame on you for not being truthful.  You created money out of thin air.  Well, maybe not thin air, but sort of.  Its a con game. You used my signature on a promissory note (the alleged contract) and illegally converted it into a security instrument and sold it. That alleged note did not belong to you and I did not give you the right to sell it.  You also insured it.  You have illegally received monies for something you sold that belonged to me and did not give me the money for it. 

You need to prove what I'm saying is wrong or you need to delete this from my credit reports immediately and destroy all evidence of this fraudulent alleged debt/account.  You don't have a valid contract with me - you can't even prove the 4 basic elements that create a valid contract -not with a violation of Reg Z and not when you allegedly lent money or credit unlawfully.  I don't owe any alleged debt when you committed fraud. You rendered everything void from its alleged creation. 

There is another type of alleged debt that is very common that you will want to get off your credit reports.  It is the medical collection. This post is very long already so I'm going to do another post for that one.  They have additional laws to abide by and I will show you how to use those laws to stop their collection efforts and delete their information from your credit reports.

I hope I've helped you look at their responses better.  Don't let them intimidate you and don't let them fool you into thinking that because they say they've validated or verified or that their records are correct, that it is so.  They are trained to get money from you.  Its all about the money.  Its not about being responsible. Its not about some moral need to fulfill an obligation. Its about MONEY! Your money, and they want every little bit they can squeeze from you regardless of fraud, regardless of the fact that they don't have valid contracts with you or in the case of 3rd party collections, no contract at all.

Keep fighting, keep learning, keep beating them!  If you need help fighting back, I'd love to help you.  Just use the contact information up at the top on the right side.  My email address and my phone number are there.  Use either one, use both.  I answer the phone and I respond to emails.  I'm here for you and I look forward to helping you successfully improve your credit! 

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How Loans And Credit Cards Really Work

I have to admit upfront that I borrowed the title of this post from the video I am posting below.  I decided to post this video because I have so many friends and clients that always say that they really feel they should pay these old alleged debts because they did sign a contract with the creditor and they did use the card or account, so they really think they owe it.  I sure hope everyone who reads my posts gets it that you DON'T OWE Any 3rd party collector.  You have NEVER signed a contract with them and they were Never on the original contract.  The law and AmJur are very clear about this.  They do NOT have the right to substitute themselves into or onto a contract that they originally were not on. They are a VOLUNTARY PAYEE - a "stranger to the transaction" and the alleged debt was wiped out a number of times, including when they purchased the alleged debt.  That is the absolute truth!

But, original creditors, well, people have a very hard time wrapping their minds around the truth about not owing them.  We have been programmed, manipulated, and brainwashed by just about every institution, media outlet, and legal entity, to believe that we owe these alleged debts.  They don't want you to know the truth. Why? Follow the money, first of all, and secondly, the media pundits and many of the different sources that regurgitate this nonsense haven't bothered to do their homework so they are ignorant of the truth.

Hopefully, this video, which I absolutely love, and it makes it so clear, will help you understand why I continue to fight the system and scream the truth about credit and money.  Heck, even the mainstream news media "reported" during the "debt ceiling" debates that the FED (Federal Reserve) was going to "print more money..., create more money out of thin air."  I doubt that these blabberheads actually knew what they were reading, though.  Well, in this video, you are going to learn what the truth is and what the majority of people world wide are ignorant to.  This gentleman is not from here in the states, but that's okay.  The fraud is universal and is just as applicable here as there, and everywhere.  Its about an hour long, but one of the best hours spent.

Please watch, learn, and enjoy!